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Re: Planes

Postby Mrknot » Sat Nov 23, 2013 5:11 am

How about the Osprey, Cav?
I've always thought that was a pretty cool idea...did you ever work around them in your time overseas?
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Re: Planes

Postby SoB » Sat Nov 23, 2013 5:26 am

Mrknot wrote:How about the Osprey, Cav?
I've always thought that was a pretty cool idea...did you ever work around them in your time overseas?

They would be costly to run, need a good pilot and carry less than a chinook in terms of cargo space.
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Re: Planes

Postby Red Star » Sat Nov 23, 2013 5:36 pm

CavWarrior wrote:The North American OV-10 Bronco.


A good choice, even has that cargo section behind the cockpit that can hold 4 paratroops in a very tight squeeze. Nice for insertion/extraction and hauling respectable loads for its size as well.

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Re: Planes

Postby Red Star » Sat Nov 23, 2013 5:52 pm

SoB wrote:CASA C212 is another good stol aircraft.


A good one too, Caribous as well- the Casa looks pretty cool:

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Caribous are sweet:

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And another Caribou, showing part of the problem...

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STOL aircraft are great, but the smaller the better usually. Minimum space is crucial, especially for unprepared surfaces. Ease of maintenance definitely a must. Bigger ones are nice if you got the open spaces and a nice chunk of uncluttered road.

Good ideas though, keep on brainstorming! ;)
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Re: Planes

Postby CavWarrior » Sun Nov 24, 2013 10:49 pm

Mrknot wrote:How about the Osprey, Cav?
I've always thought that was a pretty cool idea...did you ever work around them in your time overseas?


It is very expensive to operate and it takes special training to fly the thing. Regardless of how long it's ben in service now, I just don't trust it.
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Re: Planes

Postby Red Star » Sun Nov 24, 2013 11:06 pm

CavWarrior wrote:
Mrknot wrote:How about the Osprey, Cav?
I've always thought that was a pretty cool idea...did you ever work around them in your time overseas?


It is very expensive to operate and it takes special training to fly the thing. Regardless of how long it's ben in service now, I just don't trust it.


They scare me, it just seems like a golden BB magnet to me. Majorly maintenance intensive as well.
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Re: Planes

Postby SoB » Mon Nov 25, 2013 2:14 am

Red Star wrote:
CavWarrior wrote:
Mrknot wrote:How about the Osprey, Cav?
I've always thought that was a pretty cool idea...did you ever work around them in your time overseas?


It is very expensive to operate and it takes special training to fly the thing. Regardless of how long it's ben in service now, I just don't trust it.


They scare me, it just seems like a golden BB magnet to me. Majorly maintenance intensive as well.

The V22 is not the worst thing america has build or tried to build. It still loads better than the GCV, stryker MGS, F35, LCS, zumwalt Growler extra extra extra.

For a zpoc air craft though a lot of US milltary vechiels are a bad idea. The maintance requiments are just to high.

For a chopper the alouet 3 is a good choice or a gazel. Larger I would look at a puma or super puma(couger) another air craft is a cesna 200 serries they all prety good bush air craft.


The russian MI17 is another opstion or if you want a flying house MI26
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Re: Planes

Postby UnderDude » Mon Nov 25, 2013 3:51 pm

So we should buy SA equipment?
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Re: Planes

Postby SoB » Mon Nov 25, 2013 4:05 pm

UnderDude wrote:So we should buy SA equipment?



You do all ready.

But no in each of the cases I menstied there where alterntive US optsions that will do better.

With the styker MGS there is the AGS, V300 sierries and a host of other opstions
With the F35 there is the F22 that is actualy cheap now thanks to the F35s masive cost over runs
The growler took part in a trail where there was a clear winner
With the zumwalt there is the good old battelship
The LCS is just a joke. Coast gaurd cutters would do better(ok maybe not but there are tones of better choices)

The GCV is a difrent story all together. A 80 tone IFV did the diesghiner not think of mountains, bridges, air transport extra. In it's case there is the isrealy nammar APC that may actualy end up replaceing it.



America can make great things(A10, F15, M113, paveway, the 12.7mm MG, extra extra. But on ocasion they do stuipd things.
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Re: Planes

Postby UnderDude » Mon Nov 25, 2013 5:18 pm

And what SA equipment do we use?
You left out the M1A2 Abrams, M136 Gatling Gun, F16, F/A18, Super Cobra, Apache......
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